Just in from fishing-
Rick "but why buy a whole new line system (scandi) when you can do the same thing by just modifying your skagit lines"
- Thats a good valid point if thats what one wants to do.
*I am not going to get into this. I don't limit to either or / one only, as I have said before. My run line has a tact. loop on it. It does not further read only for scandi or skagit or short belly.
It's VERY EASY to see Euro Scandi rec's as they provide such ON THEIR WEBSITES. All one has to do is convert to grains and account for Euro rated rods, one up on American. Goran's preferances are well documented by his self, easily attainable, Guideline, Zpey-Henrik ditto. What one will find if they care to is they are very much IN LINE with North American recs. for such.
I don't personally care because I don't label myself this or that kind of caster anyways. But, your comment about no one in North America is true Scandi is BS, rude and.......well......I will just leave it at that. And this from a "skagit master"
* For someone whom readily broke rules, tradition you sure like to make them.
* Modern Scandi & Scandit are not interchangeable / one. By others definition , as I don't use scan-dit at all. It's basically exactly what you did above all float from my understanding. Modern Scandi - I do know well, it's not scan-dit at all, nor heavier grains at all. Before you blurt out stuff maybe you should find out what it is. Again, personally I don't care as I don't label myself but, as you do and seem to like to define all others also while at it, maybe you want to get it right.
* If you want to take a 500 grain x 24' skagit head - 20 gr. per ft. floating
which easily handles 125 grain tip ++ for 625 total. And take a say 400 grain head x 24', add 12' of float tip @ 100 grains for 500 total x 36' - 13 GRAINS PER FOOT
and still call it a skagit head system, FOR THE SAME ROD
- thats up to you, I know better. But, if for you it meets the sustained anchor you seek = great, call it what you want. I just pointed out "sounds like a scandi to me". Guys bumping scandi's up a bit in grains = "not true scandi" in your book. Taking skagit grains substantially lower = different story.........what ever
Ed. If you get your "sustained" anchor from it some how and am happy........who cares.
* BTW - the best way you can tell if a Scandi head is traditionally (prefer that term over properly) grained is to see how it two hand over head casts. That's a Scandi casts also. It should be smooth and not wanting to crash if all float or sink, heavy tips can hinge. A traditionally grained skagit won't do this but, it will if you drop the grains substatially in all float. It should not be clunky yet load and fire effeciantly as a two handed , over head, shooting head. It should not be overly light either as if it needs a single haul to load deeper, etc. The lower hand is the haul. It should not want, to false cast , multiple times, non chalet as if a standard wf-f, it's not, it's a shooting head and grained as such. It's real easy to tell traditional Scandi grains by two hand over head casting it.
* I just came in from swinging river smallies all float with gurglers sca-poppers. On a 10' x 6wt switch I used a 250gr x 22' head, a 55 grain x 10' float tip and a 10' leader. I cast it single,snake in flow and two hand over head in frog. It does all very well and CERTAINLY is on the light side as it will false cast easily over head also. Bruce Richards/SA - streamer express development days, use to give me 300 grains for a 9 1/2' 6wt graphite. This a 10' 5/6 s.h. rate glass ! So, I guess just for this day and possably in all of history I was the only one using a scandi head of traditional grains in North America
. Like Skagit Scandi is just so darn tough/hard. It's easy to see why no one in North America gets it right ever Ed. Oh......I do bump up a head weight to if I want for bigger tips, weighted flies,wind,etc.. It still singles and snakes well but, also snaps and doubles well (God forbid) and I do loop on a skagit also.........oh......."true traditionally grained skagit" I mean......... IT'S REALLY THE MONO LEADER BUILD THAT MATTERS THE MOST FOR TOP SIDE SPEY CAST SWING GURGLING ANYWAYS.........but that is to boring and not of Skagit specific/only label to talk about.
Mark / Mini Me -
Not sure what the little shot was about or for. Will let it pass this time but, will assure you I am not a rookie, with lines, fly fishing,spey,etc.etc. Your quoting back to me about Goran a schooling you took from another on speypages. I know because I read it. I did not have one word in that thread towards you nor in the thread at all - so why you preach'in it back to me lad? Go state your case back to him you argued with - I REALLY DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT "TRADITION" WHAT WAS TWO DECADES AGO LET ALONE 200 YEARS AGO GET IT? I don't wear a badge. I have no problem breaking age old "traditions". There are still silk lines available = no thanks. The Underhand cast is not difficult. Look how simple, factual and so few words Goran explains it and demonstrates it. If thats all he says, you don't need to write 15 page essays on it - as if. And just because you like to make video's of yourself
and post them to the world, standing in a driveway with a black top leader on.......ahhh.......never mind. Your choice next, your quite visual, opinionated yourself so, just say the word. I did like your 9wt, 16" Trout switch btw....... Could double for Muskie to. Oh and Mark - "hybrids" whom you've never seen but apparently "just know"...... and your..... "pure" right....... - got it
Ironic - The creator of this site likes to point out on a S.P.'s thread how all fishing is fine. How he c-pins,speys,plugs, who cares, etc. I chuckle at his reply and agree. Yet, here -----------you must be in the box.