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Has anyone played with the Rio 20' Skagit Shorts on switch rods?
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camosled
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« on: July 09, 2010, 11:22:32 AM »

The 525 works great on The Death Star.   Just now screwing around with them on my 8110-4.
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 12:56:10 PM »

When combined with 8 to 10 foot tip systems, they are the perfect length for 11' to 12' Switch's and Spey's.

Also work well for throwing longer - 12', 15' - very heavy tip/fly combos on the longer lengthed Spey's if'n you find that your "normal" 27 to 30ish foot long Skagit bellies are feeling "dogged down" by such a tip/fly combo.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2010, 04:15:07 PM »

I fished the 475gr. with 9' of T-8 and a small intruder yesterday on an 8110-4 and could have used the 525 easily.

Scott used (In BC) the 525 gr. on the 7126-4, a super fast rod, with 12 of t-14 and it rocked...

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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2010, 08:57:30 AM »

Yes, the Skagit shorts are great on the shorter double handers.  For really heavy tip/fly combos and really tight quarters, I have even dropped down to 17-18' heads on my 11-11 1/2 footers.  "Canopied Runs" as Ed has informed me!  Love that name and love fishing those areas even more.

Does anyone know when Rio is going to make the Skagit shorts in 575 grains?  I have only found them up to 525 grains.  Need a 575 or 600 for my 8115 Burkie. 

Oh yeah, one question-what are guys running on the 7110 Zaxis for a skagit?  I've been playing with a few lines around 400-425 grains at 19-21' but feels like it could handle 450 or even 475?  Before I chop anymore lines I thought I'd ask.

-Zack
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2010, 04:40:50 PM »

I use a 450 on my BIIx 11ft 7 and it's a rocket. Just remember slow and easy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2010, 11:54:33 PM »

the 8110-4 works nice with the 525 gr skagit short and 11 feet of t-14...I can imagine the 7110-4 can jack the 475 just fine but I haven't tried it cause I fish the 6110-4 and 8110-4.

JM

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2010, 07:45:25 AM »

Thanks guys.  The postman dropped a 475 skagit short in my mailbox yesterday.  I took it out last night to do some casting on the canal.  Basically very slow moving water.  I was casting from an elevated position where my feet were at water level.  I added a half-n-half T14 mow tip and the 7110 Z handled it well.  I may end up chopping a foot or so off to get it juuuussst right....that line should also absolutely rock on my 11'7" 5/6/7 MKS meiser is making me. 

-Zack
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 02:19:33 PM »

I have already "more than" commented on this in the"General" threads so, I won't bore everybody again with another drawn out reply.  I just wanted to agree with Ed and  reemphasize my point that the Skagit Shorts are great on the more traditional length speys when throwing longer tips and bigger flies.  I have fished with Ed when he had his custom short Skagits and I never thought they were for me.  It took some beating over the head but, I have now seen the light.  Give that 525 a try.  I ease off on my stroke and just let that mass fly.

Ed - you still don't have me talked into the slow rod though.  Who knows?  Never say never!
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2010, 11:18:38 PM »

Hey guys,
I know this thread is a little old, but I just joined, and it really interested me because I'm thinking of putting a rio skagit short on my tfo 8wt switch.  Im VERY new to spey fishing, as in, been on the water less than 15 times.  I currently have a 475 rio skagit flight, which is a 25 ft head, and fish 10ft tips mostly.  Do you think a skagit short would be a good investment and improve my fishing? Also, if I were to get one, is a 475 a good grain weight for this rod, or would a 525 be more appropriate?  I realize that probably has a lot to do with personal preference, and individual casting stroke, but I was just curious if anyone had any personal experience with that setup.  Also, the grain window on that rod is 400-600.  Thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 11:45:58 AM »

How many grains of belly to throw on a rod will vary some according to an individual's casting characteristics, combined with the variance in rod capabilities between manufacturers. A 475 Skagit of 25' length and 10' tips should be right in the ballpark for most 8 weight Switches. The thing to do first is give the combo that you have on hand a try-out. If it feels a bit much to handle, then it might be worth looking into a shorter line. Your on-hand system adds up to 35' in total length, which puts it right around 3Xrod length, which is a good general, all-around ratio. Once you go under that ratio, casting technique and timing has to be more and more spot-on to yield good results.
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2010, 03:31:54 PM »

Great.  Good to hear that I have what I need.  Now I can feel confident that the rest is just up to me.  Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated.
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2010, 01:32:06 PM »

Question about cutting a skagit head to a short skagit, Do you cut from the back or front or both?
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 09:17:47 PM »

Speaking of, just saw a post on a blog relating to "skagit switch heads" that airflo has under development / will hopefully release soon.  I guess they are the skagit compact heads, just in shorter lengths designed for switch rods.  Going to have them from 360 to 540 and lengths from 18 to 22 feet.  I want one.....
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2010, 07:30:21 AM »

Lostspey- you definitely want to cut from the front of the head.  The back has a short taper that you want to keep.  

Saw that post on Deneki as well....finally.  But it would be nice of Rio or Airflo to make the short Skagit in grains up to about 625.  

-Zack
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2010, 09:29:27 AM »

Thanks for the info on where to cut and the idea of using skagit shorts on more than just switch rods.  I will give it a try this weekend.
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