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« on: July 18, 2015, 06:40:05 PM »

I'm over head casting a 25' skagit head with a 13' rod in the surf,  and I'm wondering if a shorter head (20')
might perform better especially when wading deep.
Any thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2015, 11:43:32 AM »

Do you have a tip attached as well - if so how long is the overall line to running line? My thoughts are typical shooting heads are 30 feet cast all the time on single handers? Too short and travel time gets impacted if you are casting for distance. With the long rod the actual casting stroke can really be short and compact.

In an old dvd I have there is a great section on overhead casting - the stroke is very compact and really more up and down - likely need to roll cast out - then pick up is a slow start to sudden stop with top hand not much higher than your ear. The forward stroke is very compact and is just pulling down hard with your bottom hand right into your belt. This basic stroke can be raised all up higher when wading deep but the stork itself is the same

I googled overhead casting and found some interesting stuff

http://www.wildoutfitting.com/mci/emailarchive/mlistarchive/msg00952.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjW4snYbGo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QaRYjGwTY

interesting stuff here
http://www.andrewtoft-flysport.com/tutorials.html
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2015, 06:17:04 PM »

I'm over head casting a 25' skagit head with a 13' rod in the surf,  and I'm wondering if a shorter head (20')
might perform better especially when wading deep.
Any thoughts?

Squis

Actually, I like to go slightly lighter and longer when overhead casting with a two hander.  I imagine going shorter and heavier makes the process very clunky.   Skagit Heads were not designed to be cast overhead.  With a 13 foot rod you should be able to cast a properly balanced 36-40' head to the moon...

One thing to note is that the longer rod amplifies any imperfections you put into the timing and power application during the forward stroke.  It is very important that the rod tip travel in a perfectly straight path and that you build smoothly to an abrupt stop at the end of the stroke.  Hit it too hard at the beginning and you will collapse the loop with a terrible tailing loop.  Move the rod tip off path and the line will not turn over.

Watch Dave Pinzckowski in SM4 cast a 14' spey rod, overhead.  The stroke is smooth as butter and goes like a raped monkey.



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